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- From: sinclap2954@cobra.uni.edu (PETER SINCLAIR-DAY)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: Apple troubles benefit Amiga?
- Message-ID: <1996Jan28.234644.52101@cobra.uni.edu>
- Date: 28 Jan 96 23:46:44 -0600
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- Organization: University of Northern Iowa
-
- In article <4eh6p3$b2d@natasha.rmii.com>, mdaymon@rainbow.rmii.com (Maxwell Daymon) writes:
- > PETER SINCLAIR-DAY (sinclap2954@cobra.uni.edu) wrote:
- > : In article <fulldog-2701960324160001@167.114.251.14>, fulldog@tag01.acnet.net (Victor Vargas G.) writes:
- > : > In article <4e687l$677@flood.xnet.com>, jcompton@flood.xnet.com (Jason
- > : > Compton) wrote:
- > : >> Apple has "Commodore" written all over it. Nobody trusts the management,
- > : >> no projects are being completed, and key personnel are leaving to start a
- > : >> new company and do things the right way.
- >
- > : What projects are you referring to?
- >
- > The projects that were headed by many of the engineers who left to form
- > Be and join other companies like HP, Sun, and IBM. Apple gutted a huge
- > number of their talented engineers and now wonders why the college grads
- > aren't performing. To them "5 engineers" is all the same, except it's
- > cheaper to pay newbies.
-
- You still have not answered my question. From what I have read in MacWeek, new
- PowerMacs, Cybordog, new printers and video solutions will debut this quarter.
-
- >
- > : > 'To commodore': the action of destroying your own, superior product
- > : > through null marketing, bad financial decisions and sheer stupidity. As in
- > : > 'Apple has been doing its best to commodore the Macintosh, and it now it
- > : > seems they'll succeed' :^\
- >
- > : Apple is no Commodore. Sheesh..There are no simmilarities.
- >
- > Oh get a clue! Are you *completely* blind, or just legally blind!? They
- > are so similar it's frightening. Step out of your mindless advocacy box
- > and take a cold look at it. Apple is going through MUCH of the same
- > things Commodore went through, and primarily for the same reasons: bad
- > management.
- >
-
- Apple made many missteps. Apple is not going through the same things as C=..
- Apple's inept marketing manages to sell 1.3 million units in the last period.
- Apple's problem was that they did not have the proper product mix due to
- shortages of components for their higher margin ones. As a result Apple did
- not have enough high margin ones to balance out the low margin ones. This
- problem should be rectify this period. However, Apple will take a huge charge
- to cover their restructuring..
-
- > Apple's 'AGA' is their cooperative multitasking and their 'AAA' is still
- > past Copland (full preemptive multitasking). Spindler is driving the
- > company into the ground!
-
- Spindler has full support of the Apple board. If he is such a lousy CEO, than
- Apple should git rid of him. Copland is soon. Apple's current woes has
- nothing to do with Copland. Apple's woes is attributed to not supplying enough
- higher margin machines due to component constraints.
-
- >
- > Look at their stock for the past 1 - 1.5 years. Even that looks almost
- > identical to Commodore.
-
- Apple's stock in that time frame was around the $50.00 range.. I don't see any
- similarrities..
- >
- > : >> non-Microsoft choice. They need to at least hold out for the next
- > : >> generations of Amigas and other platforms--if they're successfully
- > : >> brought to the mass market.
- >
- > : He he he he..Please...Apple is not going out of business.
- >
- > Get your head out of the sand. Apple going under (if not purchased) is a
- > distinct possibility. Maybe you like in a pocket of support for Apple, but
- > many stores have started cutting back on Apple products to the point where
- > they only get one shelf now. I'm talking about major chains as much as the
- > local ones.
-
- Are you referring to one shelf of software? You must have time to visit the
- chains..
-
- >
- > : Apple is not going under. If for some reason Apple HQ is struck by lighting,
- > : the torch will be passed onto PowerComputing..
- >
- > You are VERY naive. Power Computing is currently relying heavily on Apple
- > R&D. Power Computing can NOT outbid Microsoft or IBM if either of those
- > companies decides to buy and bury the Macintosh platform - only to
- > incorporate what they like in their own operating systems. (Nor do they
- > have the resources to fully develop the machine and operating system)
- >
-
- PowerComputing is doing much of their own R%D such as PCI/Nubus board,
- multiprocessor Macs, PowerBook clones and so on..
-
- > : > It seems that after all, there wil be just two left: the Windows
- > : > 'standard', and the 'alternative' OS, the Amiga... things are REALLY gonna
- >
- > Amiga may not survive as a viable platform in the future. If the wall
- > that is Macintosh is broken, companies like IBM and Microsoft are going
- > to launch a full scale assault on europe with *cheap* machines and more
- > power.
- >
- > : > be interesting soon... who would have tought that the Amiga would be the
- > : > one to end up against the Big Brother (remember Apple's '1984')?
- >
- > : Lets see, Apple had the best period of Mac sales in their history.
- >
- > And yet they STILL lost $68 MILLION in spite of the fact that they just
- > had their best sales ever. Can you add 2 + 2?
-
- Yes, Apple did lose money..So did Mercedes Benz -$4.2 billion in 1995. But
- know one is saying that their days are numbered.
-
- IBM went through a painful restrucuring for awhile and ended up laying off half
- of their workforce..Didgital went through the same thing. Digital is back on
- track. Apple needs to restructure. I still think Apple's R&D is bloated.
- Knocking off $200 million from $650 million will do..
-
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